Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

[Hevel, Shawn]

[Shawn Wildermuth (MVP)]

[Hevel, Shawn]

Thanks for the input. I got it to work using the following way:

<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" TextMode="MultiLine" Wrap="True" Columns="60" Rows="5"></asp:textbox>

The situation arises now with FireFox that the information doesn't wrap. When I get to the 60th character it continues on and doesn't ever wrap. Again, it works fine in IE7 and the information wraps at the 60th character and each 60th character there after.

Any clues on making the wrap feature work in FireFox?



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.
Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Wildermuth (MVP) [mailto:***@ADOGUY.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:05 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

If you remove the Width and Height and use a style="" tag you might have
better luck (additional attributes in the tag are preserved). In your case,
style="width: 450px;height: 48px".

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web
[mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:29 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

I've got a textbox that is defined as follows:



<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" Width="450px"
Height="48px" TextMode="MultiLine"></asp:textbox>



It looks great in Internet Explorer (IE7), but in Firefox, it gets
shrunk down to a smaller size than that which is displayed in IE7 and in
the dotnet aspx page.



Does anyone know how to make this box appear the size that I've defined
in Firefox?



Thanks,



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the
transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our
mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of
urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market
share.

Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com



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[Shawn Wildermuth (MVP)]

For most of the bugs like these there are two things you'll need:

- A good reference to the differences between the browsers (I used to use an
O'Reilly book on HTML, but not sure what's the best book any longer).
- Spend a lot of time in "View Source". Look to see what ASP.NET is
generating in FF and IE and see what is different. Where possible, changing
the behavior to a CSS style tends to work on FF and Opera the same as
IE...but implicit tag attributes tend to differ though I am no expert.

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web
[mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:21 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

Thanks for the input. I got it to work using the following way:

<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" TextMode="MultiLine"
Wrap="True" Columns="60" Rows="5"></asp:textbox>

The situation arises now with FireFox that the information doesn't wrap.
When I get to the 60th character it continues on and doesn't ever wrap.
Again, it works fine in IE7 and the information wraps at the 60th character
and each 60th character there after.

Any clues on making the wrap feature work in FireFox?



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the
transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our
mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency
necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.
Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Wildermuth (MVP) [mailto:***@ADOGUY.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:05 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

If you remove the Width and Height and use a style="" tag you might have
better luck (additional attributes in the tag are preserved). In your case,
style="width: 450px;height: 48px".

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web
[mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:29 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

I've got a textbox that is defined as follows:



<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" Width="450px"
Height="48px" TextMode="MultiLine"></asp:textbox>



It looks great in Internet Explorer (IE7), but in Firefox, it gets
shrunk down to a smaller size than that which is displayed in IE7 and in
the dotnet aspx page.



Does anyone know how to make this box appear the size that I've defined
in Firefox?



Thanks,



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the
transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our
mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of
urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market
share.

Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com



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[Pardee, Roy]

Doesn't asp.net 1.1 have a wrong idea about FF's capabilities WRT CSS? I vaguely recall it sending pretty downlevel stuff to FF, just out of ignorance.

I'm working offline right now or would do it myself, but google for 'asp.net firefox browsercaps' to snag the right goo to put in your web.config file to disabuse asp.net of the notion that FF doesn't know from CSS...

Ah--here's a URL from an old e-mail--it may still be valid:

http://slingfive.com/pages/code/browserCaps/

HTH,

-Roy

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Shawn Wildermuth (MVP)
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:24 AM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

For most of the bugs like these there are two things you'll need:

- A good reference to the differences between the browsers (I used to use an O'Reilly book on HTML, but not sure what's the best book any longer).
- Spend a lot of time in "View Source". Look to see what ASP.NET is generating in FF and IE and see what is different. Where possible, changing the behavior to a CSS style tends to work on FF and Opera the same as IE...but implicit tag attributes tend to differ though I am no expert.

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:21 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

Thanks for the input. I got it to work using the following way:

<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" TextMode="MultiLine"
Wrap="True" Columns="60" Rows="5"></asp:textbox>

The situation arises now with FireFox that the information doesn't wrap.
When I get to the 60th character it continues on and doesn't ever wrap.
Again, it works fine in IE7 and the information wraps at the 60th character and each 60th character there after.

Any clues on making the wrap feature work in FireFox?



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.
Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Wildermuth (MVP) [mailto:***@ADOGUY.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:05 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

If you remove the Width and Height and use a style="" tag you might have better luck (additional attributes in the tag are preserved). In your case,
style="width: 450px;height: 48px".

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:29 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

I've got a textbox that is defined as follows:



<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" Width="450px"
Height="48px" TextMode="MultiLine"></asp:textbox>



It looks great in Internet Explorer (IE7), but in Firefox, it gets shrunk down to a smaller size than that which is displayed in IE7 and in the dotnet aspx page.



Does anyone know how to make this box appear the size that I've defined in Firefox?



Thanks,



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.

Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com



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[Mark Kucera]

That link s/d work. I've used their browsercaps file for years now. in fact I put it in every asp.net project work on, otherwise you will most likely have display problems with NS and FF.

MK

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Pardee, Roy
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 08:52 AM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

Doesn't asp.net 1.1 have a wrong idea about FF's capabilities WRT CSS? I vaguely recall it sending pretty downlevel stuff to FF, just out of ignorance.

I'm working offline right now or would do it myself, but google for 'asp.net firefox browsercaps' to snag the right goo to put in your web.config file to disabuse asp.net of the notion that FF doesn't know from CSS...

Ah--here's a URL from an old e-mail--it may still be valid:

http://slingfive.com/pages/code/browserCaps/

HTH,

-Roy

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Shawn Wildermuth (MVP)
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:24 AM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

For most of the bugs like these there are two things you'll need:

- A good reference to the differences between the browsers (I used to use an O'Reilly book on HTML, but not sure what's the best book any longer).
- Spend a lot of time in "View Source". Look to see what ASP.NET is generating in FF and IE and see what is different. Where possible, changing the behavior to a CSS style tends to work on FF and Opera the same as IE...but implicit tag attributes tend to differ though I am no expert.

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:21 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

Thanks for the input. I got it to work using the following way:

<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" TextMode="MultiLine"
Wrap="True" Columns="60" Rows="5"></asp:textbox>

The situation arises now with FireFox that the information doesn't wrap.
When I get to the 60th character it continues on and doesn't ever wrap.
Again, it works fine in IE7 and the information wraps at the 60th character and each 60th character there after.

Any clues on making the wrap feature work in FireFox?



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.
Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Wildermuth (MVP) [mailto:***@ADOGUY.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:05 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

If you remove the Width and Height and use a style="" tag you might have better luck (additional attributes in the tag are preserved). In your case,
style="width: 450px;height: 48px".

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:29 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

I've got a textbox that is defined as follows:



<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" Width="450px"
Height="48px" TextMode="MultiLine"></asp:textbox>



It looks great in Internet Explorer (IE7), but in Firefox, it gets shrunk down to a smaller size than that which is displayed in IE7 and in the dotnet aspx page.



Does anyone know how to make this box appear the size that I've defined in Firefox?



Thanks,



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.

Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com



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[Hevel, Shawn]

This works great. Thanks.

My question is the wrap feature is not working. Once I reach the end of the textbox, it should wrap. In IE7 it does wrap but in FF is stays on one line and just continues on forever.

Is BrowserCaps supposed to work on the wrap feature also?

Thanks,

Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.
Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Pardee, Roy [mailto:***@GHC.ORG]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:52 AM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

Doesn't asp.net 1.1 have a wrong idea about FF's capabilities WRT CSS? I vaguely recall it sending pretty downlevel stuff to FF, just out of ignorance.

I'm working offline right now or would do it myself, but google for 'asp.net firefox browsercaps' to snag the right goo to put in your web.config file to disabuse asp.net of the notion that FF doesn't know from CSS...

Ah--here's a URL from an old e-mail--it may still be valid:

http://slingfive.com/pages/code/browserCaps/

HTH,

-Roy

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:24 AM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

For most of the bugs like these there are two things you'll need:

- A good reference to the differences between the browsers (I used to use an O'Reilly book on HTML, but not sure what's the best book any longer).
- Spend a lot of time in "View Source". Look to see what ASP.NET is generating in FF and IE and see what is different. Where possible, changing the behavior to a CSS style tends to work on FF and Opera the same as IE...but implicit tag attributes tend to differ though I am no expert.

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:21 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

Thanks for the input. I got it to work using the following way:

<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" TextMode="MultiLine"
Wrap="True" Columns="60" Rows="5"></asp:textbox>

The situation arises now with FireFox that the information doesn't wrap.
When I get to the 60th character it continues on and doesn't ever wrap.
Again, it works fine in IE7 and the information wraps at the 60th character and each 60th character there after.

Any clues on making the wrap feature work in FireFox?



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.
Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Wildermuth (MVP) [mailto:***@ADOGUY.COM]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:05 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

If you remove the Width and Height and use a style="" tag you might have better luck (additional attributes in the tag are preserved). In your case,
style="width: 450px;height: 48px".

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker


-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Hevel, Shawn
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:29 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: [DOTNET-WEB] Problem with TextBox control in DotNet 1.1

I've got a textbox that is defined as follows:



<asp:textbox id="tbSpecialInstructions" runat="server" Width="450px"
Height="48px" TextMode="MultiLine"></asp:textbox>



It looks great in Internet Explorer (IE7), but in Firefox, it gets shrunk down to a smaller size than that which is displayed in IE7 and in the dotnet aspx page.



Does anyone know how to make this box appear the size that I've defined in Firefox?



Thanks,



Our vision is to develop an environment that will stimulate the transformation of data and information into knowledge and wisdom. Our mission is to stay focused on the plans and goals with a sense of urgency necessary to improve the company's profitability and market share.

Shawn Hevel, API, AIT
Lead Programmer Analyst
Information Technology Department
South Carolina Farm Bureau Insurance Companies
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Work Email: ***@scfbins.com
Home Email: ***@sc.rr.com



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[Mark Gregory]

[Smotritsky, Alex]

If I understand correctly and you want a starting point why not start
with one of the sample apps downloadable from www.asp.net?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Mark Gregory
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:20 AM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: [DOTNET-WEB] New client application

I would appreciate knowing what is the fastest way to get a framework
for a new ASP.NET 2 client.

I need the framework to include master pages, membership, skins /
themes.

Is there a tool that will autogenerate a basic framework so that I can
then start adding to it.

Regards, Mark

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[Mark Gregory]

[Booth, Bill]

[Mark Gregory]

[Christopher Frazier]

[Robert]

[Mark Gregory]

[Ben Joyce]

It's worth checking out http://www.componentart.com/ too. I have been
using their stuff for a year or so now.. it's pretty good, some nice
controls and relatively good documentation but there are some
mind-boggling choices to leave certain properties out from controls
that leave you scratching you head and having to resort to nasty hacks
and/or trawling through their user forums. It's not a majot gripe but
it is a gripe nonetheless. The support staff are helpful but not that
speedy.

On 7/10/07, Mark Gregory <***@gt.com.au> wrote:
> I would appreciate knowing what people think about the different third
> party control packs available.
>
> I have found the following
>
> http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/DXperienceASPNET/
>
> http://www.componentone.com/products.aspx?TabTypeID=1&ItemType=1&PanelIn
> dex=1&ItemID=8&SubCategoryTypeID=0&TabMapID=17&TabID=23&gclid=CMiWtsipnY
> 0CFQQRYwod9zKl6Q
>
> http://www.infragistics.com/dotnet/netadvantage/aspnet.aspx#Overview
>
> I would appreciate knowing your thoughts or if there are other packs
> that I should be considering.
>
> Regards
> Mark Gregory
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[kara hewett]

Hi Mark,

What functionality are you seeking from the control packs? DevExpress has
a good grid/spreadsheet package and easily binds to a database as well.
Full source code is available for tweaks and enhancements.

Kara


On 7/10/07, Mark Gregory <***@gt.com.au> wrote:
>
> I would appreciate knowing what people think about the different third
> party control packs available.
>
> I have found the following
>
> http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/DXperienceASPNET/
>
> http://www.componentone.com/products.aspx?TabTypeID=1&ItemType=1&PanelIn
> dex=1&ItemID=8&SubCategoryTypeID=0&TabMapID=17&TabID=23&gclid=CMiWtsipnY
> 0CFQQRYwod9zKl6Q
>
> http://www.infragistics.com/dotnet/netadvantage/aspnet.aspx#Overview
>
> I would appreciate knowing your thoughts or if there are other packs
> that I should be considering.
>
> Regards
> Mark Gregory
>
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[kara hewett]

Hi Mark,

DevExpress offers a feature rich set of tools. For your purpose the toolkit
provides the requisite components as well as advanced customized look/feel
and "out of the box" data binding to large data sets. The user interface
customization supported by DevExpress is exceptional, and many users
like/dislike an application based on the interface more than the server side
functionality!

Kara




On 7/11/07, Mark Gregory <***@gt.com.au> wrote:
>
> I need grid, menu, user interface controls and graphs, I suppose the
> more I can get the better.
> All must be ajax and so on.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web
> [mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of kara hewett
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:41 AM
> To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
> Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Third Party Control Packs
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> What functionality are you seeking from the control packs? DevExpress
> has
> a good grid/spreadsheet package and easily binds to a database as well.
> Full source code is available for tweaks and enhancements.
>
> Kara
>
>
> On 7/10/07, Mark Gregory <***@gt.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > I would appreciate knowing what people think about the different third
> > party control packs available.
> >
> > I have found the following
> >
> > http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/DXperienceASPNET/
> >
> >
> http://www.componentone.com/products.aspx?TabTypeID=1&ItemType=1&PanelIn
> >
> dex=1&ItemID=8&SubCategoryTypeID=0&TabMapID=17&TabID=23&gclid=CMiWtsipnY
> > 0CFQQRYwod9zKl6Q
> >
> > http://www.infragistics.com/dotnet/netadvantage/aspnet.aspx#Overview
> >
> > I would appreciate knowing your thoughts or if there are other packs
> > that I should be considering.
> >
> > Regards
> > Mark Gregory
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[Mark Gregory]

[Dimitrios Toulakis]

Try also Janus Controls

http://www.janusys.com/controls/

br
Dimitrios
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Gregory" <***@GT.COM.AU>
To: <DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Third Party Control Packs


Hi Shaun,

Thank you for this info. I have just looked at telerik and componentart
and their offerings appear to be very similar.

Telerik has the chart included in their main package and componentart
sell the chart separately, I suppose this is because it is a main
feature product for them.

Devexpress also appear to be good, with different components in some
areas.

This is a difficult choice to make.

Regards,
Mark Gregory

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[mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Shawn Wildermuth
(MVP)
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:17 PM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Third Party Control Packs

Components are great, but the customer support is crucial IMHO.

- My experience with Infragistics is decidedly lacking. I find their
products particularly buggy (though I have more experience with the
WinForms
suite).
- DevExpress has good components, but their service is slow and they
usually
send me run-around e-mails when I request service (e.g. Did you read
these
seven links to the documentation) before they'll help me.
- I haven't used ComponentOne before.
- ComponentArt and Telerik are both good solutions that you should
consider
as well in your review.

Thanks,

Shawn Wildermuth
http://adoguy.com
http://wildermuthconsulting.com
Microsoft MVP (C#), MCSD.NET, Author and Speaker

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[mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of Mark Gregory
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:45 AM
To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
Subject: [DOTNET-WEB] Third Party Control Packs

I would appreciate knowing what people think about the different third
party control packs available.

I have found the following

http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/DXperienceASPNET/

http://www.componentone.com/products.aspx?TabTypeID=1&ItemType=1&PanelIn
dex=1&ItemID=8&SubCategoryTypeID=0&TabMapID=17&TabID=23&gclid=CMiWtsipnY
0CFQQRYwod9zKl6Q

http://www.infragistics.com/dotnet/netadvantage/aspnet.aspx#Overview

I would appreciate knowing your thoughts or if there are other packs
that I should be considering.

Regards
Mark Gregory

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[Peter Vertes]

Hi Mark,

My team has been using Component One's Enterprise Studio package for the
past three years now exclusively. They pretty much have everything we need
for in our products (we design front-ends for trading systems), their
upgrade prices are reasonable and their support is helpful and fast.

-Pete

On 7/10/07, Mark Gregory <***@gt.com.au> wrote:
>
> I would appreciate knowing what people think about the different third
> party control packs available.
>
> I have found the following
>
> http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/DXperienceASPNET/
>
> http://www.componentone.com/products.aspx?TabTypeID=1&ItemType=1&PanelIn
> dex=1&ItemID=8&SubCategoryTypeID=0&TabMapID=17&TabID=23&gclid=CMiWtsipnY
> 0CFQQRYwod9zKl6Q
>
> http://www.infragistics.com/dotnet/netadvantage/aspnet.aspx#Overview
>
> I would appreciate knowing your thoughts or if there are other packs
> that I should be considering.
>
> Regards
> Mark Gregory
>
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[Mike Andrews]

I've not had much luck with DevExpress controls and their support and
documentation is lacking.
I've only worked with the WinForm controls though but I've not been
satisfied.


On 7/10/07, Mark Gregory <***@gt.com.au> wrote:
>
> I would appreciate knowing what people think about the different third
> party control packs available.
>
> I have found the following
>
> http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/DXperienceASPNET/
>
> http://www.componentone.com/products.aspx?TabTypeID=1&ItemType=1&PanelIn
> dex=1&ItemID=8&SubCategoryTypeID=0&TabMapID=17&TabID=23&gclid=CMiWtsipnY
> 0CFQQRYwod9zKl6Q
>
> http://www.infragistics.com/dotnet/netadvantage/aspnet.aspx#Overview
>
> I would appreciate knowing your thoughts or if there are other packs
> that I should be considering.
>
> Regards
> Mark Gregory
>
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[Stoyan Damov]

On 7/17/07, Mike Andrews <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've not had much luck with DevExpress controls and their support and
> documentation is lacking.
> I've only worked with the WinForm controls though but I've not been
> satisfied.
>

I find that EXREMELY hard to believe (re WinForm controls). IMO
DevEx's documentation is the BEST I have EVER seen - ever. Would you
care to back your statements?

Cheers,
Stoyan

P.S. I'm not in anyway affiliated with DX, just a very very happy customer.

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[Mike Andrews]

I realize there are some happy customers but I've not been.

Their winform controls controls are very inconsistent in their
implementation such as Text vs. Caption properties and other "standard"
WinForm properties. Some controls don't even have either when you would
expect them to have such a property. Instead, they have some completely
different implementation or you must "cast" it to another type to get the
desired type. It seems to me that DevExpress converted their MFC control
set they sold years ago (and I'm sure still do) into MS.NET and never
bothered to "clean" it up and make it .NET framework appropriate so someone
programming the framework would "know" their objects as the "know" the
framework objects.

When I tried to figure out some of the intricacies of various controls, such
as the super tooltip, I was required to know that the type of object sent in
the event arguments is not the type added, but a type generated by the
control and in order to know the type added, you must in turn examine the
.Item property of the .Item property of the event args. Nowhere (at least
as much searching as I did) did I find directions or help on this. When I
tried to use the built in help, it was merely machine generated help with no
"help" contained therein. Their documentation related specifically to the
SuperTooltip and limited code samples didn't make mention of this issue when
it comes to pro grammatically using BeforeShow event. Even after
I surpassed that hurdle, I was daunted by the inability to get the tip to do
what I needed to do. Yes, I had a complex issue for a grid in that I needed
the super tip to move with the mouse and change based on certain cells. I
never could get it to work. I spent a couple of days trying to get it to do
what I needed. Just nothing I did seemed to work.

My colleagues have had similar if not more difficult problems with the
various controls. Some of them have dealt with the nightmares of the
Reporting tool that "allows" you to customize the reporting tool for your
own custom packaging and report generators. Yet, there is no documentation
on how one might accomplish this task; when you dig into the "inner sanctum"
of the control you find that changing things such as menu and toolbar
options are not lacking but require so many hoops through which the
programmer must jump that it becomes a case of determining the benefit of
using the control vs. the cost incurred in developing "around" it.

Making posts to DevExpress's help forums produces little if any results. A
lot of the time, for anything advanced, they either don't understand the
question and state as much or are unwilling to answer with anything other
than "Unable to reproduce."

As peeve on my part, the VB part of the documentation for DevExpress is
wrong in several places. It looks like someone with a C, C++, C# background
took a stab at converting the existing documentation to VB and missed the
mark. Sometimes the class declarations are expressed as:

Public Class SomeDevExpressControl : SomeDevExpressBaseControl...

Obviously this is incorrect for VB.

it should be:

Public Class SomeDevExpressControl: Inherits SomeDevExpressBaseControl or
...
Public Class SomeDevExpressControl
Inherits SomeDevExpressBaseControl
...

I'll admit that for simple tasks DevExpress works quite well and as expected
and their controls do have a good "look and feel" to them; my issue with
them is that for anything complex you run into various roadblocks due to
either their own design flaws or failure to "see" ahead at what people might
try to do with their controls.

I'm both a C# and VB programmer and have been for many, many years with
experience in many other languages and other types of development. I've
worked with numerous vendor's control sets for both Delphi, VB, and .NET,
some with success and some with a modicum of success. DevExpress is one of
those latter ones. I judge a control set's usefulness based on how easy it
is for me to "figure out" their logic and design of the controls. If I
think I have it and I don't and I can't read up on the issue because there's
nothing to read or if there's so much irrelevant documentation (on how to do
simple tasks) on everything but the subject in which I'm try to learn then
my opinion of the control set drops immensely.

I hope this is sufficient. I'm glad you've had a good experience with the
controls.
Like I said, not everyone has a bad experience; it depends on what you're
trying to accomplish, i.e., the business problem which you are trying to
overcome.


On 7/17/07, Stoyan Damov <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/17/07, Mike Andrews <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've not had much luck with DevExpress controls and their support and
> > documentation is lacking.
> > I've only worked with the WinForm controls though but I've not been
> > satisfied.
> >
>
> I find that EXREMELY hard to believe (re WinForm controls). IMO
> DevEx's documentation is the BEST I have EVER seen - ever. Would you
> care to back your statements?
>
> Cheers,
> Stoyan
>
> P.S. I'm not in anyway affiliated with DX, just a very very happy
> customer.
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[Stoyan Damov]

On 7/17/07, Mike Andrews <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> I realize there are some happy customers but I've not been.

... [snipped lots of bad experience w/ DX]

Sorry to hear that :(

Cheers

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[Andrew Dunn]

[Shawn Wildermuth (MVP)]

[Andrew Dunn]

[Andrew Dunn]

[Shawn Wildermuth (MVP)]

[Andrew Dunn]

[Mark Aurit]

Does anyone know of any performance/scalibility measurements between the
2 reporting tools bundled in vs.net 2005, crystal reports and ms reports
(using ms reports in the reportviewer control, not ssrs)? Ive used cr
in production, and they can be pretty sluggish.
Thanks much, Mark

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[Daniel Stefanescu]

www.telerik.com ?

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:18:26 +1000, Mark Gregory <***@GT.COM.AU>
wrote:

>I need grid, menu, user interface controls and graphs, I suppose the
>more I can get the better.
>All must be ajax and so on.
>
>Regards,
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Discussion of building .NET applications targeted for the Web
>[mailto:DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM] On Behalf Of kara hewett
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:41 AM
>To: DOTNET-***@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM
>Subject: Re: [DOTNET-WEB] Third Party Control Packs
>
>Hi Mark,
>
>What functionality are you seeking from the control packs? DevExpress
>has
>a good grid/spreadsheet package and easily binds to a database as well.
>Full source code is available for tweaks and enhancements.
>
>Kara
>
>
>On 7/10/07, Mark Gregory <***@gt.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> I would appreciate knowing what people think about the different third
>> party control packs available.
>>
>> I have found the following
>>
>> http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/DXperienceASPNET/
>>
>>
>http://www.componentone.com/products.aspx?TabTypeID=1&ItemType=1&PanelIn
>>
>dex=1&ItemID=8&SubCategoryTypeID=0&TabMapID=17&TabID=23&gclid=CMiWtsipnY
>> 0CFQQRYwod9zKl6Q
>>
>> http://www.infragistics.com/dotnet/netadvantage/aspnet.aspx#Overview
>>
>> I would appreciate knowing your thoughts or if there are other packs
>> that I should be considering.
>>
>> Regards
>> Mark Gregory
>>
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